SPEW!! DEBATE!!
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Click on the picture to join!The monthly SPEW debate is here! Wanna know whats going on? Look under the cut!!
Imagne going to the record store, and blaring from the loud speakers is an artist like Eminem. You have your two young children with you. Should they have to listen to that kind of music, even if you think that it is immoral?
The Topic of the debate is a popular one. Should Music/Movies/Magazine/Video Games/Etc. be censored? Should the government be able to say, "No You cannot put that on your album" or "That is too vulgur for our youth to see on the big screen!"
What I Want I want you to debate over this issue. Gryffindor//Slytherin will be arguing that the government SHOULD NOT be able to censor the media. Ravenclaw//Hufflepuff will be arguing that the government SHOULD be able to censor the media.
Rules
-Only qualifing comments count! They must be signed, be at least 3 sentences, stay on topic, and stay on your assigned side.
-Keep it civil. If you don't agree with what someone says, let it slide off your back, and don't start an argument. You will not be allowed to participate in the contest for SPEW.
-Have fun! Thats what I want most of all
The Break Down
-10 points for first comment.
-5 points for each additional comment.
Deadline
-The debate will end THURSDAY, Mar. 2nd, at 8 P.M. EST!
Thank you!
DEBATE OVER! Sorry, I had to end it a little early, but I have a paper due tomorrow, and it will take me the rest of the night to finish it.
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Date: 2006-02-26 12:16 am (UTC)Suicide is a fine example on how the egg comes before the chicken, and not the way around. I highly doubt that a perfectly happy, normal, and balanced child that listened to a song promoting suicide would just decide to end their life. I would, instead, expect that if any child or teenager "got" ideas of suicide from a song, it was because they were severely depressed in the first place. It is important to distinguish problem issues from their coinciding factors to see what's wrong at the root. Let the parents consider that underlying factors completely separate from the media may be the cause, instead of just blaming it on the songs the kid listened to or the shows they watched.
An interesting point: Two of the groups I really like are KMFDM and Rammstein. Those are exactly the two groups that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (who did the Columbine shootings) adored. Yet I have not once considered shooting up my school or doing something ridiculous like that.
In fact, I'm a fairly nonviolent person.
Maybe I was never a psychopath in the first place.
Lisa//Slytherin
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Date: 2006-02-26 12:35 am (UTC)I agree with you there, but what you're failing to see is that this music is only promoting them to think about commiting suicide or they're just going to become even more depressed.
Two of the groups I really like are KMFDM and Rammstein. Those are exactly the two groups that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (who did the Columbine shootings) adored. Yet I have not once considered shooting up my school or doing something ridiculous like that.
In fact, I'm a fairly nonviolent person.
Maybe you aren't a violent person, but they were, and the fact that they listened to KMFDM and Rammstein will probably only lead people to beleive that that played a part, no matter how big or small, on why they had the shooting in the first place. Like
Stephanie -//- Hufflepuff
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Date: 2006-02-26 12:56 am (UTC)As a listener to that kind of music, I can safely say that it has not caused me to commit suicide, being that I'm alive and typing this.
But is there proof that the individual songs are directly linked to individual acts? Here's what I'm talking about:
Gloomy Sunday is an example of a song that is banned from the BBC airwaves. It was written quite a few decades ago and is considered responsible for a number of suicides. Keep in mind that the word 'suicide' isn't even mentioned in the song.
With all due respect to Evanescence, I don't see any notorious record of their songs that would be a legitimate excuse for bannination.
Maybe you aren't a violent person, but they were, and the fact that they listened to KMFDM and Rammstein will probably only lead people to beleive that that played a part, no matter how big or small, on why they had the shooting in the first place.
There are no KMFDM songs or Rammstein songs that have "Shoot up your school and kill yourself" as their lyrics, just so you know.
I can think of a hundred groups more violent than those two that aren't blamed for violence.
Like karinablack said, kids that are exposed to violent music lyrics are more likely to express aggressive thoughts and hostile feelings.
Like I said, then those responsible adults around them should keep that in mind.
Lisa//Slytherin
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Date: 2006-02-26 01:19 am (UTC)Maybe not directly but it still might be linked to suicide in some of the lyrics.
There are no KMFDM songs or Rammstein songs that have "Shoot up your school and kill yourself" as their lyrics, just so you know.
Maybe they're not saying it directly "Shoot up your school and kill yourself", but still, look at "A Drug Against War": TELEVISION, RELIGION
SOCIAL DESTRUCTION
SEX AND DRUGS
VIOLENT SEDUCTION
CRYSTAL DAWN
ECSTATIC EXPLOSION
PARENTAL ADVICE LEADS TO MENTAL EROSION
It's only the first part of the song, but still. That's enough to make me want to turn it off.
I'm not pointing fingers as to what group of artists is to blame for what incident/happening, but the government definately needs to interfere with all of this. Maybe something as simple as asking for ID when buying a CD or something along the lines of that.
Stephanie -//- Hufflepuff
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Date: 2006-02-26 06:42 pm (UTC)SOCIAL DESTRUCTION
SEX AND DRUGS
VIOLENT SEDUCTION
CRYSTAL DAWN
ECSTATIC EXPLOSION
PARENTAL ADVICE LEADS TO MENTAL EROSION
You cannot fully understand a piece of art until you speak with the artist. Also it is hard to get a good grasp on art by looking at it out of context. While you may interpret that statement as being some type of evil the first thing I thought about was Karl Marx and the idea of religion and other various institutions as being th Opium of the masses. I also though of the concept of the Tabular Rosa in which it is stated that the mind is a blank slate to be written upon "parental advice leads to mental erosion". Could the artist simply not be referring to these two theories?
It's only the first part of the song, but still. That's enough to make me want to turn it off.
As you said it yourself it is only the first part of the song. Any anthropologist will tell you that when trying to understand a part of someones culture you must look at it in its entirety. So you have to look at the song as a whole, the time in which it was written, by whom it was written, etc.
I'm not pointing fingers as to what group of artists is to blame for what incident/happening
not directly you aren't. but indirectly....
but the government definately needs to interfere with all of this. Maybe something as simple as asking for ID when buying a CD or something along the lines of that.
currently the [American] government already does this on albums which they have deemed as being explicit. Thus there is no need for additional governmental censorship.
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