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What if...

Details: What if one slight decision at any point in the Harry Potter books had been different? What if Dean Thomas' father had told Dean's mother why he left the family to protect them? What if Ariana was standing one foot to the right had never been killed? What if Ariana had decided to stay indoors instead of going outside and meeting those Muggles in the first place? What if Kreacher had gone crazy and killed the baby Regulus meaning Sirius was the only child of the Blacks?

Have a think and a debate/disscussion about how small/big a change could have changed something ridic big/not at all. Uh. Be creative! try to find something different or interesting to change, you can use the ones above if you must.

Steps:
1. Pick a thing from HP to change
2. Explain how you think this would have changed the way the story unfolded, and if it'd change the outcome at all. Maybe the differences in the world once the story was over? (min 100 words)
3. Discuss/debate with other people about yours and theirs. Do you think it wouldn't have made the changes they think it would? Explain why. Do you agree and see some other changes that would have occurred, let them know :) (min 30 words and you can't just wholeheartedlyagree and gush at them)

Rules:

1. Don't pick the same one as someone else. If someone has already picked something then reply to their comment discussing/debating
2. Don't cause drama. Prove you can all civilly debate and discuss stuff.
3. Take heed of the word limits (100 words for first comment, 30 words for additional replies with a point that add to the discussion/debate)
4. Try not to make it a silly thing e.g. Harry ate some toast one morning instead of cereal and therefore the world ended.

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Thing you're changing: Harry meets Lucius instead of Draco outside of Madam Malkin's
How do you think this would have affected the outcome of the books?
The first person Harry Potter really interacted who wasn't "pre-approved" by Dumbledore was Draco Malfoy, whom he first saw outside Madam Malkin's robe shop. Sadly, Draco was not yet schooled in proper Slytherin tact (he was only eleven!) so he tried to make friends with Harry the only way he knew how: by showing off - which, unbeknownst to him, had the exact opposite effect (Harry managed to view this attempt at making friends as being worse than Dudley Dursley... to the point that he engaged in behavior that would qualify for a Muggle vote at Hogwarts is Home when getting Sorted to ensure that he would stay away from him!)

Now, if Lucius, who was much more tactful at the time, had talked to Harry instead - all he would need to do was say a few choice words about how Harry deserved MUCH better than the abuse he was getting at Harry's 'filthy Muggle' godparents the Dursleys (and how it was that 'that meddling fool' Dumbledore who was responsible for reducing 'the biggest hero of the Wizarding world' to this state); then offering to help Harry out... Harry would effectively be putty in Lucius's arms!

(Lucius could then, of course, introduce Harry and Draco to each other - and not only would Harry's allegiances be set: "I'm Lucius's man through and through!" but he would likely be pushing FOR Slytherin when that time came!)

William//Slytherin

Haha, I love this. So, what would happen during the events of PS I wonder? Would Harry align himself with the Malfoys and be pro-Voldemort? Or would it create a rift between them? I'm thinking probably the latter since above all else, Voldemort murdered Harry's parents and I'm not sure anything could overcome that.

Noelle // Slytherin // 2

Remember that during PS and even throughout CoS (possibly the entire time before reincarnation) the Malfoys were officially neutral: while publicly disdaining Dumbledore, Lucius would even tell Draco off in CoS for being to mean to the Boy-Who-Lived in public. Presumably, aligning with the Malfoys would be more anti-Dumbledore (Harry can DEFINITELY fit that bill) than pro-Voldemort!

William//Slytherin

I like this concept alot. However, I feel that Lucius is the kind of man that likes to play a beta role. Voldemort referred to him as his 'slippery friend' and that's exactly what he is: sly and unwilling to put his neck on the line for anybody. (Except maybe his wife and son). Whilst I agree on the fact that Lucius would undeniably try to sweeten Harry up, I don't think he'd go as far as to try and 'win' if you like, Harry over. That would be too much of a stretch on his part, and there wouldn't be much of a motif to do so. The Malfoys are (I'm assuming) well known in social circle since they are virtually pureblood aristocracy, so Lucius wouldn't need the 'fame' side of associating with Harry, and he didn't yet know in the first book what Voldemort's plans were for Harry.

But a very original concept nonetheless!

Ria//Slytherin//1

The reason the Malfoys wanted Harry didn't necessarily have anything to do with the Potters' fame but more in light of Harry being potentially a very powerful ally (and, of course, making them LOOK less like Voldemort supporters). And how much would it cost Lucius to spend thirty seconds introducing himself to Harry? ;-)

William//Slytherin

While I absolutely love the idea, I don't think Harry would be as putty in Lucius' arms as you think. He was a smart kid and I doubt he would entirely trust Lucius. I think he would have been cautious and took whatever Malfoy Snr said with a pinch of salt. He'd probably be civil with Draco until it came to the sorting. While he might have agreed with being placed in Slytherin, I think he'd still be the Golden Boy who fought against Voldemort. He would, though, break the stereotype that all Slytherin wizards are evil. Heck, if he was placed in Slytherin after meeting Lucius, I think he would have started seeing the benefits of befriending powerful people and would have started rooting for inter-house communication much earlier.

Lena/Gryffindor/3

You do have a point there - Harry would probably not be pro-Voldemort at any stage! On the other hand, aligning with the Malfoys instead of with Dumbledore in his early Hogwarts years does NOT require supporting Voldemort... especially with the Malfoys trying to present themselves as NOT being Death Eaters!

William//Slytherin

I think this is very interesting. Draco was definitely not the best person that Harry could have met first. He basically gave him a very poor first look at the wizarding world. I can definitely see Lucius being smarter about it, especially if he realized who Harry was. He'd be very wily in his interactions with Harry.

Laura//Hufflepuff

The only thing I'm wondering, though, is why Draco did such a bad job at introducing himself to Harry (both times). When one sees what Slytherin really stands for, it would be very hard to imagine Draco acting as he did unless he was trying NOT to make friends!

William//Slytherin

Hmm that would be an interesting change. I really wonder how Lucius would react if he met Harry then. I'm sure he'd know it was Harry, considering how he looks like his father, and he would try to butter him up. But like Harry saw through Draco, he might also be able to see through Lucius too, or at least not completely trust him, especially if he did say something like "filthy muggle". Harry would less likely to be so against Slytherin in that case, but probably not to the point of pushing for it.

Chelsea//Ravenclaw

Here's where I disagree with you: I don't think Harry "saw through" Draco at all (his judgement on Draco throughout his entire Hogwarts career seemed to be VERY surface level - based more on the way Draco carried himself than on anything deeper)! As Lucius would be able to present a better veneer (and it was the veneer, not the conflicted core, of Draco that Harry noticed) I think that Harry would trust Lucius more than Dumbledore...

William//Slytherin

Yeah, perhaps. But I don't see how a brief meeting with him would sway Harry to trust Lucius more than Dumbledore. Especially since the first person he meets from the Wizarding World is Hagrid, who goes on about what a great wizard Dumbledore is. If in their talk Lucius said some things about Dumbledore, Harry might be more skeptical of him, but I dunno if such a brief meeting would make him trust Lucius more over Dumbledore, especially since he wouldn't see Lucius again until a year later.

Chelsea//Ravenclaw

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