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Imagne going to the record store, and blaring from the loud speakers is an artist like Eminem. You have your two young children with you. Should they have to listen to that kind of music, even if you think that it is immoral?
The Topic of the debate is a popular one. Should Music/Movies/Magazine/Video Games/Etc. be censored? Should the government be able to say, "No You cannot put that on your album" or "That is too vulgur for our youth to see on the big screen!"
What I Want I want you to debate over this issue. Gryffindor//Slytherin will be arguing that the government SHOULD NOT be able to censor the media. Ravenclaw//Hufflepuff will be arguing that the government SHOULD be able to censor the media.
Rules
-Only qualifing comments count! They must be signed, be at least 3 sentences, stay on topic, and stay on your assigned side.
-Keep it civil. If you don't agree with what someone says, let it slide off your back, and don't start an argument. You will not be allowed to participate in the contest for SPEW.
-Have fun! Thats what I want most of all

The Break Down
-10 points for first comment.
-5 points for each additional comment.
Deadline
-The debate will end THURSDAY, Mar. 2nd, at 8 P.M. EST!

Thank you!

DEBATE OVER! Sorry, I had to end it a little early, but I have a paper due tomorrow, and it will take me the rest of the night to finish it.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

We censor the use of alcohol to an age when people are more responsible and have developed good judgement. Consequently, the precedent has already been set to sensor products which youth are not yet able to digest fully or constructively or sensibly. If we don't protect the youth of our country no one else will.

esrielle//ravenclaw

We censor the use of alcohol to an age when people are more responsible and have developed good judgement.

We assume that individuals are more responsible and have developed good judgment. Using the United states for example where the current legal drinking age is 21 there are more accidents & deaths involving those under the influence of alcohol then in those countries where the drinking age is lower.

Consequently, the precedent has already been set to sensor products which youth are not yet able to digest fully or constructively or sensibly

Just because the precedent has been set does not make it correct (i.e. the europeans invading the americas and taking over the land, the ideal of slavery in american, the use of atomic bombs, the list could go on.

If we don't protect the youth of our country no one else will.

We as individuals need to educate, not shelter our youth, the government should play a minimal part if any. As the saying goes it takes a village to raise a child, not a reigme.

trent | slytherin

We cannot make the assumption that people are responsible and have good judgement. A woman fairly recently put her RV in cruise control then left the wheel to make herself a sandwich then successfully sued the RV manufacturer! Holy Crap!

We are asking our GOVERNment time and time again to save us from ourselves by instituting rules and laws that are for our own good.

We need laws in place to stop Nebraskan middle-class tweenagers from dressing up and walking around like they're from the 'hood. It's for their own good and it's for the good of everyone around them. They are cheapening REAL ghetto culture and being pretentious, and honestly just looking like asses.

If they weren't exposed to such explicit lyrics, they wouldn't try to engage in drive-by ~~cow-tippings~~ potato-gun shootings.

Karina Black, Ravenclaw

We cannot make the assumption that people are responsible and have good judgement.

Thus how can a government composed of the people be entrusted with the responsible to make good judgment. This one contradiction upsets the entire foundation of your argument.

A woman fairly recently put her RV in cruise control then left the wheel to make herself a sandwich then successfully sued the RV manufacturer! Holy Crap!

This is one isolated incident. Post statistics and then you will have a case. There will always be "exceptions" to every rule.

We are asking our GOVERNment time and time again to save us from ourselves by instituting rules and laws that are for our own good.

Who is? We ask our government to protect us from one another, allowing us to live harmoniously, but I do not see/understand the point you are trying to make with this statement. Not to mention there are various special interest groups pushing for less governmental influence/control over today's culture/society.

We need laws in place to stop Nebraskan middle-class tweenagers from dressing up and walking around like they're from the 'hood. It's for their own good and it's for the good of everyone around them. They are cheapening REAL ghetto culture and being pretentious

I believe you are starting to diverge from the issue at hand, but I will entertain your statement. And argue that by censoring ones dress you are in effect putting a hold on individuality which is part of what makes are world so great, the various differences which spring up and propel us to great new heights.

and honestly just looking like asses.

Personal opinion = null and void to factual argument.

Also by stating that individuals who dress in this manner or listen to certain types of music you are degrading their culture, indirectly exclaiming yours to be superior.

If they weren't exposed to such explicit lyrics, they wouldn't try to engage in drive-by cow-tippings potato-gun shootings.

This is not a proven theory. As I stated earlier the type of music listened to or the type of video games played has not been proven to have a causal relationship with the type of behavior exhibited by individuals.

trent | slytherin

Thus how can a government composed of the people be entrusted with the responsible to make good judgment.

Personal opinion, this negates your argument. The government is composed of our elected leaders and intellectual betters. Because this is a democracy (imsofullofit) the majority has a say in what is "right" and "wrong." Right and wrong are simply semantics and diversionary tactics for opinion.

This is one isolated incident.
Unfortunately not. There has been more than one documented case of a person behaving so stupidly, it dropped the collective IQ of the general populace. We do NOT, in fact, ask the government to save us from each other- time and time again we have shown that laws have been instated to save us from ourselves. Examples: the seat belt & helmet laws.

Also by stating that individuals who dress in this manner or listen to certain types of music you are degrading their culture, indirectly exclaiming yours to be superior.

You're lacking an adjective, thus your argument is null and void.
"music you are"
it should read "music are ____, you are..."

My culture may or may not be superior, you cannot base an argument on that which I have not said. ;)

Interpretive implications notwithstanding, the argument is whether or not government should impose restrictions on media. Some call this censorship, but one could also argue that by posting speed guidelines, they are also censoring your right to personal expression by driving in a manner which some consider "too fast."

You have to wonder, when does raising the speed limit stop? When there's no speed limit at all? And no punishment for driving recklessly? Explicit language and violence in mass media is completely unregulated aside from ooh little stickers warning people what they're about to buy MAY be offensive.

You can't scream "FIRE" in a crowded movie theatre- is that censorship or just good judgement?
Why, then, should "let's go kill cops" be censorship instead of good judgement?

It's all semantics.

Karina Black, Ravenclaw

Alcohol as censorship isn't very accurate. It's a controled substance, the same way marijuana or cocaine is. It's limited in access because of potentially harmful effects on the body, and for little other reason. The youth of our country (or any country, actually) could do with a lesson in using their own moral code to guide them, which would be much more effective than simply telling them "no" and waiting for them to figure out a way around it.

Moon Faery//Slytherin

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